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From: Randy Kafka
Date: May 1, 2018
Subject: Vietnam Fallen Tribute
Sounds OK. I would add it.
Randy
From: Jim White
Dated: July 24, 2018
Subject: Urgent photo enquiry from The Economist Adrian Cronauer obiturary
Dear Zoe,
Bob Morecook retired as webmaster for the old AFVN website on Geocities after Geocities went out of business in 2005 or so. In 2012, I took over from him and put much of his work plus a great deal of additional material on AFVNVETS.net.
I have already received a request from CBS about the pictures on the URL you reference below. According to Paul Bottoms who is credited on that page as sent them to me, all of those pictures are personal photos taken by others at AFVN at the time Adrian Cronauer was there and none of them are copyrighted in any way. CBS was interested in the one showing Adrian in front of a mic (It is just before the one showing him interviewing Robert Mitchem. The one with Adrian holding a carbine is most likely a "staged" photo because no one in his right mind would be pulling guard duty wearing a Class A uniform with a bight brass buckle. Plus, AFVN did very little in the way of guarding themselves. The MPs and the ARVN were our guards.
In summary, use any of the photos you wish, let me know if you have any further questions, and perhaps give the AFVNVETS.net group a bit in the way of advertising of this site (however, this last one is not mandatory).
Respectfully yours,
Jim White
SGM (Ret'd), USA
AFVNVETS.NET website
From: Sarah Kramer
Date: August 17, 2018
Subject: Looking for AFVN audio
Hi - I'm a producer with Radio Diaries (www.radiodiaries.org) and I'm working on a story about the riot at the US Army stockade (Long Binh Jail) in Vietnam in 1968. We'd like to use some AFVN audio in the story. I'm looking specifically for Sign ons, Sign offs, as well as anything about military discipline, AWOLS, the stockade itself, and also, a news report about the assassination of Martin Luther King. I know it may not be possible to find all of this stuff, but I thought I would ask in case you have a larger archive than what is on this site, or might suggest other people that I talk to. I am on deadline so if it's possible to respond quickly I would appreciate it.
Thanks, Sarah
From: Ken Kalish
Date: May 2, 2018
Subject: Vietnam Fallen Tribute
It's a bit dated, but far and away better than that thing Barry Sadler wrote.
Ken
From: Jim white
Date: August 18, 2018
Subject: Looking for AFVN audio
Dear Sarah,
It appears you have been looking at our site: AFVNVETS.NET. All of the audio and video recording I have are listed under "Audio Archives" or "Video Archives." You are free to use anything you find useful but it would be nice if you give AFVNNETS credit in some way or another.
Bob Morecook, who was the webmaster prior to my taking over in 2012, may be able to direct you to some other items. I have CC'ed him but it may help if you write him directly at Bob Morecook, AFVN <rmorecook@hotmail.com>
I'm sorry I can't be of more help and good luck with your project.
Jim White
SGM, US Army (Ret'd)
Webmaster, AFVNVETS.net
The following is a selection of the contacts received by the Webmaster
April 2018 through August 2018
From: Jack Murphy
Date: April 30, 2018
Subject: Vietnam Fallen Tribute
Please go to THE PROMISE by Jack Murphy on Youtube. I wrote this song as my way of giving something back to all of those who gave so much in the Vietnam war. Please share with all Veterans.
Thank You
To hear the song please click here.
AFVNVETS.net Contacts - Page 5
From: Bob Morecook
Date: August 18, 2018
Subject: Looking for AFVN audio
Hi Jim,
I will write her.
I have nothing to help except sign on and off link, which I am sure you have too.
Best wishes, Bob
From: Jim White
Date: April 10, 2018
Subject: Contact Form - Herbert Kneeland
Herbert,
Thanks for making contact. Joining the AFVN Yahoo Group is easy. Just tell Bob Morecook by sending him a message at his address above. Since you used his name in your message you must be familiar with him. You are already on the AFVN roster, but as a SP5, not a PFC. I feel that the former is correct, but please confirm. I will correct your time in Vietnam to 1968-69. Where were you--Saigon or a Detachment(s)? Were you a DJ, the "Go" after your name implies that you may have been the DJ for that program.
More questions: What state are you living in now so I can add you to the "Where are We Today" page under the roster. Do you have any photos you would like to post and/or any stories to tell? If so, send them to me. For the photos, try to indicate some kind of "order" they should be in as well as "Who, Where, When and Where" for the captions. Send both photos and stories to me. Bob Morecook quit as Webmaster when the original AFVN Gocities site closed down. I took over in 2012 after talking with Bob at the 2012 Memphis Reunion.
Hope to hear from you soon,
Jim W
From: Elise Lellouche
Dated: May 30, 2018
Subject: Records of Radio in Vietnam for a French documentary
Dear Jim,
Thank you very much for your reply. For the moment, we are not sure to edit those records in our film, but I will let you know if we do, so I am sure to do it right, with the correct mentions.
Best wishes,
Elise
From: Zoe Spencer
Dated: July 24, 2018
Subject: Urgent photo enquiry from The Economist Adrian Cronauer obiturary
Dear Jim,
Many thanks for your email regarding permission to use the photo of Adrian Cronauer, I am cc'ing the obituary editor here in case she wants to contact you for more information. Your assistance is much appreciated. We will credit AFVNVETS.NET in the online obituary as I mentioned. kindest regards, Zoe
Zoe Spencer Picture Editor The Economist
From: Jim White
Dated: May 24, 2018
Subject: Records of Radio in Vietnam for a French documentary
Dear Ms. Lelloche,
Thank you for your inquiry.
The AFVN programs on AFVNVETS.net, are primarily of two types: (1) those embedded in the site itself, and (2) those that are linked to a YouTube upload. Almost all of them are from audio taped "air checks" which contain only fairly short segments of various songs and were taken back to the US. by various AFVN members upon completion of their tours in Vietnam. AFVNVETS has no copyright interest in any of them and, as far as we are concerned, you are free to use any of them that are useful to your project. However, it would be nice if you could credit the source of any clips or partial clips you may use to AFVN, and where shown, the name of the individual from whom I received them. Also, if it is not too much of a problem, try to keep me informed of what you select so I may inform the individual as to where his "audio is going to be used." I am sure no one will complain.
In closing, copyrights may still be held by the original artists or music companies. However we have always assumed that reasonably short clips of copyrighted music is "fair usage."
Best wishes and good luck with your project,
Jim White, Webmaster, AFVNVETS.net
From: Robin F. Kerns
Dated: May 1, 2018
Subject: Rollin F. Kerns
I was very interested in your web page as my father worked on Project Jenny. He spent twenty five years in the Navy and then another 35 with the FAA in Key West. He passed away two weeks ago and I thought you would want to know. I am proud of him as a father, he was a hero and served his Country well. Thank all of you who have served.
Note:
The Webmaster replied to Robin thanking her for her comments and her father's service and telling her that comments like hers make working on this website worthwhile. I also suggested she look for "Project Jenny" on the web. Robin sent a similar message to the AFVN Guest Page.
From: Elise Lellouche
Dated: May 22, 2018
Subject: Records of Radio in Vietnam for a French documentary
Dear Madame, Dear Sir,
I work as a researcher for the French film production company CC&C Clarke Costelle & Co, which is known for its historical documentary series Apocalypse.
We are preparing a documentary about the Cold War (Apocalypse War of Worlds) and we will dedicate a long part to the Vietnam War. Therefore, we will tell the daily life of the American soldiers and we would like to edit some extracts of the radio programs which were broadcast at the time in the US military bases.
I see that you have a lot of this kind of records on your website but I would like to know whether it is in the Public Domain, or if you owned the rights? If not, would you know who the rights belong to?
We are particularly interested by some records of the broadcast “Dawn Buster” by Adrian Cronauer with the famous “Good Morning Vietnam”. Do you know what would be the possibilities for us to use it in our documentary?
Thank you very much,
Sincerely,
Elise Lellouche
Documentaliste
CC&C - CLARKE COSTELLE ET CIE
57, rue Vasco de Gama - 75015 Paris
+33 (0)1 77 63 55 74
+33 (0)1 86 95 28 15
mail : elise.lellouche@cccprod.com
www.cccprod.com
From: Jim White
Dated: July 24, 2018
Subject: Adrian Cronauer
Dear Mr. Morgan, First, I assume the picture you are referring to is the one of Adrian sitting in front of a microphone and wearing headphones. I received the photos on this page from Paul Bottoms in December 2013. I have his email address of about a year ago but since I promise to hold these in confidence, I don't want to release it without his permission. I have already sent him a message asking for it. The difference in years is perhaps puzzling, but the connection between the two is that in February 2011, they (and others) appeared in a panel discussion at the Virginia War Memorial in Richmond, VA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqGLIeMDSUw&feature=youtu.be). I don't really know for sure, but perhaps Adrian gave the photos to Paul at that time. Your major question appears to be asking if it is an official Air Force or AFVN photo. I am sure it is not. Almost all of the photos on AFVNVETS.net are personal photos taken by the many people who served with AFVN between 1962 and 1975, or sometimes photos taken by the AFVN photographic section but these were never registered as "official." Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. My only request is that, if you use this photo, please try to promote the existence of our site. As volunteer webmaster, my only goal is to try to keep the memory of AFVN and its many members known and alive for the future.
Respectfully,
Jim White SGM (Ret'd), USA Webmaster, AFVNVETS.net
From: Bob Morecook
Date: April 11, 2018
Subject: Contact Form - Herbert Kneeland
I will follow up.
Thanks,
Bob
From: Jim White
Dated: May 30, 2018
Subject: Records of Radio in Vietnam for a French documentary
Dear Elise,
Both of the below were original AFVN productions. None of these productions were ever copyrighted and therefore are in the Public Domain.
However (and again), as much as possible, please give credit to those who appear in them. Kramer (Cramer? / Crammer?) Haas was not first announcer to use "Good Morning, Vietnam." He was with AFVN in 1966 and 1967. As far as I know, the first announcer was Adrian Cronauer who was with AFVN from mid-1965 to 1966.
I have three spellings for Haas' first name. The Youtube upload uses "Kramer" while the AFVN Roster uses "Cramer." And a James Hyatt who claims to have known Haas when they were kids used "Crammer." Others further down the list use either "Cramer," or "Crammer.". (This is in the list of responses to the referenced YouTube clip.) I have no idea nor do I have any concrete method to confirm which is correct. My only solution is to ask the members of the AFVN Yahoo Group. Someone in that group might have been there at the same time and know which is correct. I will let you know later if I get any replies.
Respectfully, Jim
From: Jack Murphy
Date: September 23, 2018
Subject: Vietnam Fallen Tribute
Jack,
I received this request from you in April or so of this year. I posted the link to your song on the AFVNVETS.net website at https://www.afvnvets.us/rel-vn-n-t-333.html This is about all I can do for you. Therefore, there is no need to continue sending me this request.
Jim White, Webmaster, AFVNVETS.net
From: Jim white
Date: August 18, 2018
Subject: Looking for AFVN audio
Dear Sarah,
It appears you have been looking at our site: AFVNVETS.NET. All of the audio and video recording I have are listed under "Audio Archives" or "Video Archives." You are free to use anything you find useful but it would be nice if you give AFVNNETS credit in some way or another.
Bob Morecook, who was the webmaster prior to my taking over in 2012, may be able to direct you to some other items. I have CC'ed him but it may help if you write him directly at Bob Morecook, AFVN <rmorecook@hotmail.com>
I'm sorry I can't be of more help and good luck with your project.
Jim White
SGM, US Army (Ret'd)
Webmaster, AFVNVETS.net
From: Jim White
Dated: June 23, 2018
Subject: Records of Radio in Vietnam for a French documentary
Elise,
"Hanoi Hannah" was much like "Tokyo Rose" and "Axis Sally" during World War Two. And, much like both of them she was not just one person but a series of women with "sexy?" voices. They were employees of the North Vietnamese Radio Service or the propaganda arm of their military. Therefore all of their programs were the property of the North Vietnamese government. I am sure the many American songs they played had been copyrighted by various record companies in the U.S. as well as sure that the North Vietnamese never paid any royalties.
The purpose of their programs was to both demoralize and scare the American Servicemen in South Vietnam. Demoralization techniques included the playing of familiar American music and asking such questions as "Are you sure your girlfriend back home isn't planning to marry someone else?" or "Why are you here fighting for no reason at all, wouldn't you prefer to be home being with your families and friends?" Scare tactics included "Tomorrow we are going to attack and overrun an (unnamed) American unit. You don't want to return to the US in a body bag do you? or "Did you know that Sergeant John Doe was killed yesterday. You don't want that to happen to you, do you? Therefore, quit fighting us and return home."
Hanoi Hannah started on July 6th 1962, and just over a month later, on August 15th, 1962, American Forces Radio Service (the early name of AFVN) was established in response to the North Vietnamese programs. One of AFRS/AFVN's missions was to give the GI's a "taste of home" without the propaganda, or at least without the propaganda of the North Vietnamese.
Please go to Section 2 of the AFVN History page on our site. It might give you a better insight into the story of Hannoi Hannah.
Thanks for contacting me again and with best wishes for a pleasant summer,
Jim W AFVNVETs.net Webmaster
From: Jim White
Dated: July 23, 2018
Subject: Adrian Cronauer
Mr. Morgan, Just to confirm. I have heard from Paul Bottoms and he said that the picture was simply one taken by a friend. No copyright problems. If you wish to contact him directly, his email address is paulbottoms@gmail.com
Respectfully,
Jim White
From: Herbert Kneeland
Date: April 11, 2018
Subject: US Army Radio Announcer, 1968-1969
Bob,
I want to consider joining AFVN Yahoo Group and want information on the AFVN Roster.
From: Elise Lellouche
Dated: June 22, 2018
Subject: Records of Radio in Vietnam for a French documentary
Dear Jim,
I contacted you last month about some AFVN records.
I have a new research, still about the Vietnam War, and maybe you can help me :
For our documentary “Apocalypse : War of Worlds”, the directors are particularly interested by the records of a Vietnamese woman who worked for the communist propaganda : “Hanoi Hannah”. We have found some on the internet, this one for example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dFqGz_fXgE
But we don’t know if the records are in the Public Domain, and if not, we don’t know who would be the owners of the rights : Vietnam or USA ?
Would have any information or any contact that could help us ?
Thank you very much for your attention,
Best regards,
Elise
From: Jim White (Sent to the AFVN Facebook Page)
Dated: August 2, 2018
Subject: Adrian Cronauer - Obiturary in "The Economist"
The Economist" contacted me as AFVNVETS.NET Webmaster (as above) and I assured them that it was not a problem to use one of Adrian's pictures from our website. If you want to see the obituary on the on-line edition of "The Economist," please
click here. If you do, note the "afvnvets.net" credit in the picture at the bottom right. We may all get our 15 minutes of fame yet!
Jim White
From: Elise Lellouche
Dated: May 28, 2018
Subject: Records of Radio in Vietnam for a French documentary
Dear Jim,
Thank you so much for your answer. May I give you the links of the Youtube audios I am interested by ?
Good morning Vietnam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gZPe_gJ6Us
AFVN "Commercials" -- That Is -- Public Service Announcements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H18xp2snJSg
I think both come from you, but I would like to be sure once again, that we can use them in our documentary. Should I contact someone from NARA to be sure those audios are in Public Domain?
Thank you again,
Best wishes,
Elise
Note: Both of the above were uploaded to Youtube by Bob Moreook. Jim White
From: David Morgan
Dated: July 21, 2018
Subject: Adrian Cronauer
Hi, I wanted to ask about the source of the photo of Adrian Cronauer in Saigon that appears on your site: https://nebula.wsimg.com/273b4e1a1a7317ca7eb67ca68cfef1ad?AccessKeyId=867C324947D38D2A0B0A&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 https://www.afvnvets.net/pho-sto---cronauer.html The page says photos supplied by Paul Bottoms but does not indicate which. And since Mr. Bottoms was indicated to have served at AFVN 1968-70, this was after Cronauer was in Vietnam ('65-66), so I presume he did not take the photo himself. Is it an official Air Force or AFVN photo?
Thank you very much.
David Morgan, CBS News